{"id":65637,"date":"1992-02-05T12:07:00","date_gmt":"1992-02-05T09:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/?p=65637"},"modified":"2023-03-08T14:59:47","modified_gmt":"2023-03-08T11:59:47","slug":"gokdelen-tartismasi-gogu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/gokdelen-tartismasi-gogu\/","title":{"rendered":"G\u00f6kdelen tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 g\u00f6\u011f\u00fc"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kentlerin tarihi kimli\u011fini mi bozuyor, yoksa \u00e7a\u011fda\u015f g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fc m\u00fc veriyor?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00f6kdelenler \u0130stanbul i\u00e7in yararl\u0131 m\u0131 zararl\u0131 m\u0131? Bir yandan bu b\u00fcy\u00fck kentin \u00e7e\u015fitli semtlerinde g\u00f6kdelenler yava\u015f yava\u015f y\u00fckselirken, bir yandan bu tart\u0131\u015fma giderek geni\u015fliyor. Biz de konu ile ilgili 3 uzman\u0131 G\u00f6kdelen tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131nda bir araya getirdik: Prof. Dr. Do\u011fan Kuban (\u0130T\u00dc M\u0130marl\u0131k Fak\u00fcltesi), Prof. Dr. Altan \u00d6ke (\u0130T\u00dc M\u0130marl\u0131k Fak\u00fcltesi) ve Y\u00fccel G\u00fcrsel (M\u0130marlar Odas\u0131 \u0130stanbul \u015eubesi Y\u00f6netim Kurulu Ba\u015fkan\u0131).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Say\u0131n Do\u011fan Kuban g\u00f6kdelenler konusuna nas\u0131l bak\u0131yorsunuz?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">KUBAN: D\u00fcnyan\u0131n en b\u00fcy\u00fck toprak ya\u011fmas\u0131n\u0131n oldu\u011fu \u0130stanbul&#8217;da g\u00f6kdelen ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmazd\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc g\u00f6kdelen sadece m\u0130marlar\u0131n tercih ettikleri bir se\u00e7im de\u011fil. Kapitalist d\u00fcnyan\u0131n se\u00e7imi ve g\u00f6steri\u015fi, Stalin de bir g\u00fc\u00e7 g\u00f6sterisi olarak g\u00f6kdelen yapt\u0131. Uygar \u00fclkeler y\u00fcksek yap\u0131lar\u0131 kontrol edebildiler.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Burada kent uygarl\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. ABD&#8217;de kent uygarl\u0131\u011f\u0131 diye bir \u015fey yok. Y\u00fcksek yap\u0131 yararl\u0131 bir bina de\u011fil. \u00d6n\u00fcne ge\u00e7ilemeyen mekanizman\u0131n varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6steriyor. Yoksa iyili\u011fini g\u00f6stermiyor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: D\u00fcnyada sadece yararl\u0131 olan, hi\u00e7 zararl\u0131 olmayan \u015fey yoktur. Hangi bina t\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc al\u0131rsan\u0131z al\u0131n bir yanda yarar, bir yanda sak\u0131ncalar\u0131 vard\u0131r. Amac\u0131 yararlar\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fckseltip sak\u0131ncalar\u0131n\u0131 azaltmakt\u0131r. Ki\u015fisel olarak y\u00fcksek binaya kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131k\u0131labilir, ama yararlar\u0131 ve sak\u0131ncalar\u0131 iyi ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmal\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u0130stanbul&#8217;da i\u015f hayat\u0131 b\u00fcy\u00fcy\u00fcnce belirli yerlerde insanlar\u0131n yo\u011funla\u015fmas\u0131 gerekiyor. Yatayla yo\u011funla\u015f\u0131lm\u0131yor. Bir ba\u015fka nedeni de arsalar\u0131n azalmas\u0131d\u0131r. Azalmas\u0131 y\u00fcksek binalar\u0131n yapimini artt\u0131rm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Y\u00fcksek binalar bilin\u00e7li yap\u0131l\u0131rsa ye\u015fili korur, ferahl\u0131k duygusu verir. Ve manzara yarat\u0131r. Trafik problemini de kolayla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131r. \u0130yi hesapland\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman altyap\u0131 sorunu da olmaz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc verilen yap\u0131 hakk\u0131 y\u00fcksek binada da al\u00e7ak binada da ayn\u0131 olur.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: Son g\u00fcnlerde iyice yerden kopmu\u015f, g\u00f6klerde u\u00e7an bir g\u00f6kdelen tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 s\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Bu arada s\u00fcr\u00fcngenler gibi kavramlar da kullan\u0131l\u0131yor. G\u00f6kdelenden yana olanlar ve olmayanlar ikilemler ger\u00e7e\u011fi \u00f6rtmeye y\u00f6nelik. Ne kadar y\u00fcksek bina yap\u0131l\u0131rsa kadar ye\u015fil alan artar laf\u0131 aldatmacad\u0131r. Y\u00fcksek yap\u0131larda insanlar\u0131 30 kata hapsediyordunuz. Sonra da ye\u015fil alan diyorsunuz. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ve d\u00fcnyada g\u00f6kdelenler \u00fcretim ve kullan\u0131m s\u00fcrecinin sosyal ve k\u00fclt\u00fcrel y\u00f6n\u00fcyle bir aland\u0131r. Ulusal planda g\u00f6kdelenler hayali ihracat d\u00f6neminde kara paran\u0131n aklanmas\u0131n\u0131n resmi politika oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemde do\u011fmu\u015ftur. Bu, ABD&#8217;de b\u00f6yle de\u011fildir. G\u00f6kdelen yapan bir g\u00fc\u00e7, acaba ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 arsan\u0131n \u00fcst\u00fcne kat kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir g\u00f6kdelen yapmay\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor mu?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Kara para ile ba\u011f\u0131nt\u0131 kurmak. T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de ilk g\u00f6kdelen denen K\u0131z\u0131lay&#8217;daki Emekli Sand\u0131\u011f\u0131 tara1960&#8217;larda yapt\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Y\u0131llar \u0130stanbul&#8217;da Adliyeciler Sitesi yap. Ve 1980&#8217;ler geldi. O d\u00f6nemin zaten haz\u0131rd\u0131.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: \u0130stanbul&#8217;daki g\u00f6kdelenler 12 Eyl\u00fcl hukuk d\u0131\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n, ekonomik politikalar\u0131n\u0131n bir g\u00f6stergesidir. Bu, o d\u00f6nemin \u00e7irkin bir yans\u0131mas\u0131d\u0131r. \u0130stanbul, Beyrut&#8217;un yerini alacak denmi\u015ftir. Is ve ticaret merkezi misyonuna soyundurulmak istendi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tarihi Yar\u0131mada&#8217;ya g\u00f6kdelen yap\u0131labilir mi tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 ba\u015flad\u0131. &#8220;Ayasofya ile Sultanahmet aras\u0131na bir kule dikelim, bu da 21. y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n an\u0131t\u0131 olsun&#8221; diyenler var. Do\u011fan Bey, sizin bu konudaki d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnceleriniz nedir?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">KUBAN: Ben korumac\u0131y\u0131m. Eski kent i\u00e7inde 2 bin senede olu\u015fmu\u015f, sonra da yer yer bozulmu\u015f siluet var. Buna ra\u011fmen \u0130stanbul&#8217;un b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnya tarihi i\u00e7in imaj niteli\u011finde olan silueti var. Buna dokunulmas\u0131 \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck bir tarih bilin\u00e7sizli\u011fidir. Bug\u00fcn Suri\u00e7i b\u00f6lgesi d\u00fcnyada ba\u015fka e\u015fi olmayan stat\u00fcye sahip. Bir m\u00fcze gibi. Ama bizde \u00f6yle bir bilin\u00e7 olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in bug\u00fcne kadar can\u0131na okuduk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Biz kendi \u00e7a\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n g\u00f6stergesi i\u00e7in bula bula Fatih&#8217;in, Justinyen&#8217;in, Sultan S\u00fcleyman&#8217;\u0131n yap\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n aras\u0131na m\u0131 koyaca\u011f\u0131z yap\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131. Ka\u00e7\u0131k olmak laz\u0131m. Neron gibi kendimi yakay\u0131m da bir \u015feyler g\u00f6stereyim diyen insanlar b\u00f6yle \u015feyler d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnebilir. B\u00f6yle bir \u015fey d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen adam\u0131n kafas\u0131ndan zoru vard\u0131r. O zaman daha b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00f6steri yap\u0131p hepsini y\u0131kal\u0131m. D\u00fcnyaya g\u00f6sterelim nas\u0131l adam oldu\u011fumuzu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Sultanahmet ile Ayasofya aras\u0131nda bina laf\u0131 benden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Ancak yanl\u0131\u015f anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. Bug\u00fcn d\u00fcnyada iki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f var. Biri siluetler devam etsin, di\u011feri de\u011fi\u015fsin g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcd\u00fcr. \u0130stanbul&#8217;a bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda saraylar\u0131, k\u0131\u015flalar\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz. Bu \u015fehir din, saltanat ve asker \u00fc\u00e7l\u00fcs\u00fcne dayan\u0131yor diyorsunuz. Bu sembolizmi de\u011fi\u015ftirmek i\u00e7in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">KUBAN: Niye de\u011fi\u015ftiriyorsunuz? Galata&#8217;n\u0131n di\u011fer taraf\u0131na yap\u0131n. \u00d6KE: Do\u011fan Bey, o sizin kanaatiniz. Ben buna inan\u0131yorum demiyorum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Bu sizin kanaatiniz ben buna kat\u0131lm\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">KUBAN: G\u00f6kdelen o kadar kapitalist a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131kl\u0131 bir yap\u0131 ki &#8220;hay\u0131r&#8221; diyerek engellenemez. \u00d6yle bir plan da yapamay\u0131z. Bir istek de form\u00fcle edemeyiz. Ama spek\u00fclasyon arac\u0131 olmas\u0131n\u0131 engellemek \u015fart. Bu, halk\u0131 bilin\u00e7lendirerek yap\u0131labilir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: \u00d6zel bir vergi konabilir bunu engellemek i\u00e7in. Bir insana s\u0131f\u0131rdan hak veriyorsan onun da vergisi al\u0131nmal\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">KUBAN: Park Otel \u00f6rne\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn. \u00c7evrede birbiriyle uyumlu yap\u0131lan\u0131n yan\u0131nda birdenbire y\u00fckselen bir bina. Ona o hakk\u0131 veren kim? Yan\u0131ndakiler 5 katl\u0131 yapabiliyor da o neden 33 katl\u0131 yap\u0131yor. B\u00f6yle bir hak nereden do\u011fuyor?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: B\u00fcy\u00fckdere g\u00fczerg\u00e2h\u0131ndaki g\u00f6kdelenler, \u0130stanbul&#8217;a alt\u0131ndan kalkamayaca\u011f\u0131 bir problemler yuma\u011f\u0131 getirmi\u015ftir. Bu \u0130stanbul kenti ne kanalizasyon sorununu \u00e7\u00f6zer ne de enerji sorununu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Ayn\u0131 kanaatte de\u011filim. Baz\u0131 projeler i\u00e7in kamu alanlar\u0131 ya\u011fmalan\u0131yor, manzaralar bozuluyor, kabul ediyorum. Ama altyap\u0131da i\u015fin i\u00e7inden \u00e7\u0131kamam derseniz, o zaman yap\u0131y\u0131 yasak etmek gerekir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: New York&#8217;ta 400 kilometre uzunlu\u011funda metro var, o kadar kalabal\u0131\u011f\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yor. T\u00fcrkiye bu kadar kalabal\u0131\u011f\u0131 nas\u0131l ta\u015f\u0131yacak.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: T\u00fcrkiye metro yapmayacak diye bir kural m\u0131 var.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: Yaps\u0131n, ama ka\u00e7 kilometre? Paras\u0131n\u0131 kim verecek?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Ben bir tek \u015feyi \u00f6\u011frenmek istiyorum. Yap\u0131y\u0131 yasak m\u0131 ediyorsunuz, yoksa yap\u0131 hakk\u0131 veriyor musunuz?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: Hay\u0131r \u00f6yle de\u011fil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Yap\u0131 hakk\u0131 veriyorsan\u0131z o yap\u0131 altyap\u0131 da isteyecektir. Y\u00fcksek bina da yapsan\u0131z al\u00e7ak bina da yapsan\u0131z, yine altyap\u0131 isteyecektir. O zaman hi\u00e7 bina yapmayal\u0131m. Buray\u0131 sayfiye b\u00f6lgesi ilan edelim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: Hocam, yasal \u00f6rnek var elimizde. \u0130stanbul \u0130mar Y\u00f6netmeli\u011fi diyor ki plan yaparken ki\u015fi ba\u015f\u0131na bu kadar metrekare ye\u015fil alan gerekir, diyor. Bu bir \u015fehircilik kural\u0131d\u0131r. Bunu kabul ediyor musunuz, etmiyor musunuz?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: \u015eehircilik kural\u0131 herkesin kap\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde ye\u015fil alan olacak diyor mu?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">G\u00dcRSEL: Aktif ye\u015fil alan y\u00fcr\u00fcy\u00fc\u015f mesafesindeki ye\u015fil aland\u0131r.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00d6KE: Siz \u015ei\u015fli&#8217;de ye\u015fil alan g\u00f6rebilir misiniz?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/lh3.googleusercontent.com\/pw\/AMWts8AU_ROLHX7ZXReOYeWcw5vLUaUY0IEwkXrXceLMV7HwtMnc2ajGk9z3PMVsujfJIVrsAbKMlOyydIdeC6-qszPtDNWjUZ5aLJjyKKJyyMcWeRf-e3PCSFTbG9DiZYPYjoNKRKZr1ks-d2Ye0iJAqaqw9w=w580-h947-no?authuser=1\" alt=\"\" title=\"\"><figcaption><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">5 \u015eubat 1992 Sayfa 19<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kentlerin tarihi kimli\u011fini mi bozuyor, yoksa \u00e7a\u011fda\u015f g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fc m\u00fc veriyor? G\u00f6kdelenler \u0130stanbul i\u00e7in yararl\u0131 m\u0131 zararl\u0131 m\u0131? Bir yandan bu b\u00fcy\u00fck kentin \u00e7e\u015fitli semtlerinde g\u00f6kdelenler yava\u015f yava\u015f y\u00fckselirken, bir yandan bu tart\u0131\u015fma giderek geni\u015fliyor. Biz de konu ile ilgili 3 uzman\u0131 G\u00f6kdelen tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131nda bir araya getirdik: Prof. Dr. Do\u011fan Kuban (\u0130T\u00dc M\u0130marl\u0131k Fak\u00fcltesi), Prof. Dr. Altan \u00d6ke (\u0130T\u00dc M\u0130marl\u0131k Fak\u00fcltesi) ve Y\u00fccel G\u00fcrsel (M\u0130marlar Odas\u0131 \u0130stanbul \u015eubesi Y\u00f6netim Kurulu Ba\u015fkan\u0131). Say\u0131n Do\u011fan Kuban g\u00f6kdelenler konusuna nas\u0131l bak\u0131yorsunuz? KUBAN: D\u00fcnyan\u0131n en b\u00fcy\u00fck toprak ya\u011fmas\u0131n\u0131n oldu\u011fu \u0130stanbul&#8217;da g\u00f6kdelen ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmazd\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc g\u00f6kdelen sadece m\u0130marlar\u0131n tercih ettikleri bir se\u00e7im de\u011fil. Kapitalist d\u00fcnyan\u0131n se\u00e7imi ve<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":65103,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1319],"tags":[1323],"class_list":["post-65637","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-remzi-gokdag-cumhuriyet-haber-arsivi-1992","tag-1323"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65637","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=65637"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65637\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/65103"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=65637"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=65637"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.remgo.com\/11\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=65637"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}